Yo! This just hit the Spotify servers. Joe sat down with the legendary Jerry “The King” Lawler, and the conversation got heated fast. They weren’t talking about puppets or crowns—they were debating the fall of the “God of Muay Thai” after that Big Show demolition.
Here’s the transcript of the most controversial segment.
[[ PODCAST SCRIPT: JRE #2451 ]]
(Sound of a heavy glass being set on a wooden table. The hum of high-end studio equipment.)
JOE ROGAN: …But Jerry, you’re looking at the result and ignoring the biology. People are acting like Sagat just forgot how to fight. You have to look at the Ryu Injury. That chest scar isn’t just cosmetic, man. When Ryu hit him with that Shoryuken, it did structural damage to his sternum and his intercostal muscles.
JERRY LAWLER: (Laughing) Joe, please! We’ve all had ‘structural damage.’ I’ve been hit by piledrivers that would turn a normal man into a accordion. The fact is, Sagat walked into that ring with an ego bigger than his 7-foot frame, and he ran into a 500-pound reality check. Big Show didn’t just beat him; he exposed him.
JOE ROGAN: Exposed him as what? A human? Look, Big Show is a freak of nature. He’s a 1-of-1 human being. But Sagat was laboring, Jerry. He was slow. Prime Sagat—the guy who was clearing out the tiger camps in Thailand—that guy moves like a cat. The guy we saw in Dallas was a guy who was still favoriting his ribcage. If Sagat is 100% healthy, he’s chopping Big Show’s legs down like a redwood tree in three rounds. It’s physics, man!
JERRY LAWLER: You talk about ‘Prime Sagat’ like he’s an ancient relic, Joe! The man is 32 years old. In the world of the ‘Gonzaga Protocol,’ 32 is the absolute peak of physical maturity. You can’t use age or an old scar as an excuse when you’re in your prime years. The truth is, Sagat is used to fighting guys who are 5’8″ and 140 pounds in Bangkok. He came to the WWF, he saw a guy who could actually look him in the eye, and he froze. He’s a bully who got bullied.
JOE ROGAN: (Leaning into the mic) That’s such a ‘Wrestling’ take, Jerry. ‘He’s a bully.’ No, he’s a specialized striker. When you’re a specialist and your primary weapon—the clinch knee—can’t reach the guy’s solar plexus because he’s too damn big, you have to pivot. Sagat didn’t have his corner. He didn’t have a plan B.
JERRY LAWLER: That’s exactly my point! If you’re the ‘God of Muay Thai’ and you don’t have a Plan B for a giant, you’re overrated! Look at Agatom. Look at The Prototype. Those guys are evolving every week. Sagat is stuck in the past, thinking his ‘Tiger Knee’ is a magic spell. Big Show showed us that a good old-fashioned powerbomb beats a ‘Tiger Hunt’ any day of the week.
JOE ROGAN: I disagree, man. I really do. I think we’re going to see Sagat go back to the lab. I think he’s going to watch the tape of that loss every day for a year. If he adapts—if he learns the sprawl and works on his lateral movement—he’s still the most dangerous striker on the P4P Index. You can’t write off a guy with that kind of power because of one bad night against a literal giant.
JERRY LAWLER: Well, until he proves it, Joe, he’s just a tall guy with an eye patch and a lot of excuses. I’ll take the Big Show over the ‘God of Muay Thai’ ten times out of ten.
JOE ROGAN: (Laughs) We’ll see, man. We’ll see. It’s entirely possible… but I think you’re wrong.
[[ THE THREAD: OVERRATED OR INJURED? ]]
User: Xx_NWO_For_Life_xX
“A BULLEY WHO GOT BULLIED!” 👊 Lawler is spitting facts! 32 is NOT old. Sagat just underestimated the WWF heavyweights. He thought he was the only giant in the world.
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Reply: Raw_Is_War_2000
Joe has a point about the Ryu scar though. 🐉 If you’ve ever had a rib injury, you know you can’t breathe, let alone throw a knee at a 500lb man. Sagat was definitely off his game.
User: HadoukenKid
I love that Rogan is defending the “Science” of Muay Thai. 🥋 But Lawler is right about the Gonzaga Protocol—it’s evolve or die. If Sagat stays the same, he’s going to lose to Vader next.
User: BeefSlammer69
BIG SHOW IS THE NEW GOD!! 👊😤 Who cares about “Tiger Knees” when you can just throw a guy 20 feet? Lawler won this debate. Sagat is 0-1 in the big leagues.
[[ ADMIN_NEIL NOTE: Sagat reportedly listened to this podcast in his hospital bed. Sources say he didn’t say a word, just started doing sit-ups with his ribs still taped. The King of Muay Thai is mad! ]]